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I certainly haven't been hanging on every word in the John Roberts confirmation hearings, but listening to the live proceedings while driving and MPR summaries in the evening. And I think he sounds like an excellent choice for Chief Justice. Not just the best of a bad lot, or the best we can hope for under the *Bush* circumstances, but a genuinely good choice.

He has made it perfectly clear that he considers it inappropriate for a Court nominee to answer "how would you rule?" type questions on issues that are likely to come before the Court in the forseeable future, and he has explained why: (1) it raises the temptation to "bargain" with the Senate - in effect promising to rule a certain way in return for a confirmation vote, and (2) if justices were presumed to know in advance how they were going to rule on important issues, there would be no point in hearing arguments. I agree with him on both points. Hell, I wanted to applaud when I heard him make the second one (in a tone that was polite, not condescending but just a little tired, as if he still had hope that he would be able to explain it clearly enough this time so that the concept would get through, but he didn't entirely expect it to). I doubt I would be able to continue to be as civil and good-humored as Roberts has been when the Senators persist in asking him over and over again how he would rule on "Roe v. Wade," and then accusing him of being a weasel for declining to answer.

Mostly I like him because he clearly believes that decisions should be made rationally, thoughtfully, and only after gathering all the relevant information. He appears to be a little baffled by Senators who keep asking, in various different ways, "But how do you FEEL about that issue?" How many times does he have to say that he doesn't believe judicial decisions should be based on the judge's personal feelings? And that he does not make his rulings that way? Why is that so hard for some people to accept?

Incidentally, he answered the "right to privacy" question very straightforwardly. More than once, obviously, since I heard the question couched in two different ways by two different questioners in the short pieces of testimony I listened to. Yes, he agrees with the majority ruling in Griswold v. Connecticut. Yes, he believes that the Constitution supports an implicit right to privacy. And no, he is not going to answer questions on how he would rule on a challenge to Roe v. Wade.

Date: 2005-09-15 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jbru.livejournal.com
Yes, I'm afraid that officially makes you a Republican. You'll be expected to turn in all your tie-dye by the end of the week.

Seriously, though, I, too, like what I've heard of his testimony in the confirmation hearings.

Date: 2005-09-15 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cakmpls.livejournal.com
You and I agree. My, what a surprise.

Date: 2005-09-15 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cakmpls.livejournal.com
In fact, I'd be a bit surprised if there aren't some White House insiders right now saying, "What were we thinking?" Roberts doesn't look promising at all for hard-line right-wingers, unless he's flat-out lying about everything and has some deal going with the neocons, and there's nothing in his history to make that plausible.

Date: 2005-09-15 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barondave.livejournal.com
Yeah, but he's coached to say stuff like that. As I mentioned in another thread, I really liked Scalia for a while... before he started writing opinions. I've been fooled before, and feel betrayed.

I disagree that it "raises the temptation" to bargain, except maybe for the senators. For one thing, the bargain would have no meaning: Once on the bench he can and will do what he wants.

And he isn't merely saying he knows how he will vote on certain cases, he's avoiding entire subjects because cases involving the issue might come before the Court. So? He can either answer more generally or recuse himself from such cases, or simply decide that he didn't commit himself before the Senate.

I agree he's not a raving loony like some previous nominees, and he may be the best we can hope for, but his background is disturbing. And just as disturbing is how little of his writings they are willing to make public.

Put more baldly: I don't trust Bush/Rove to nominate anyone they aren't sure will overturn Roe v. Wade, and I don't trust anyone from the Federalist Society.

Date: 2005-09-15 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wombat-socho.livejournal.com
It depends on which of us you're referring to. Most of us conservative types are more interested in how he comes to his opinions than in what decisions he's going to make, and in Roberts' case he looks like an originalist a la Scalia or Thomas. Not at all like Souter.

Date: 2005-09-15 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cakmpls.livejournal.com
I didn't say anything about conservatives. I said "hard-line right-wingers" and "neocons." Neither, IMHO, are "conservatives." Put on whatever shoe fits.

Date: 2005-09-15 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wombat-socho.livejournal.com
Point taken. I'm definitely not a neoconservative (those people are all Ashkenazi Jews, and I'm from the Sephardic crowd of Zionists ^^), but by some peoples' definitions I'm both hard-line and right-wing, so...

Date: 2005-09-15 05:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pameladean
He doesn't know what's going to come before the Supreme Court while he's on it. He was perfectly happy to talk about Kelo, and if he thinks that's not going to come up, he's nuts. He's avoiding delicate territory, not practicing some amazing kind of legal prognostication.

P.

Date: 2005-09-15 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamshark.livejournal.com
What did he say about Kelo?

trust

Date: 2005-09-15 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rvrjoe775.livejournal.com
Agreed. In fact, I trust Bust/Rove to only nominate someone they believe will overturn Roe v. Wade, not to mention what direction they'd like to see the country turn on multiple other issues. I keep hearing "Brutus Roberts is an honorable man" in my head, and I fear he's an instrument of those who wish to save us from ourselves by eliminating our choices individual rights. I haven't been keeping up on the hearings, but I've been surprised there hasn't more discussion of his Federalist Society involvement.

Date: 2005-09-15 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wombat-socho.livejournal.com
I think the approach the 'realpolitik' Republicans take to Roe v. Wade is not to outright overturn it, but chip away at it gradually.

Hey, it worked for you guys, right? ~_^

Re: trust

Date: 2005-09-15 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com
Yeah, the comment I most heard about this man is that his record indicates he is a loyal servant. Answering the question, "Who is his master?" will go a long way toward illuminating his expected behaviour.

K. [and if he wasn't a law clerk for Rehnquist, having him serve as a pall bearer was gross]

Date: 2005-09-15 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wombat-socho.livejournal.com
I may be misidentifying you as a supporter of Roe v. Wade, and if I was wrong about that, I apologize.

Date: 2005-09-15 08:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pameladean
I was partly confusing something he is reported to have said with a lengthy analysis of his opinions in similar cases. Here's the actual story:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2005/09/08/state/n172411D25.DTL&type=printable

But basicaly, Senator John Ensign said that in his one-on-one talk with Roberts, they only discussed one case in particular, and that was Kelo. Ensign said that Roberts was hard to pin down (what a surprise) but that he said that property rights are fundamental to the Constitution.

P.
P.

Re: trust

Date: 2005-09-16 03:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ckd
I'm fairly sure he did clerk for Rehnquist.

Are other justices bitter?

Date: 2005-09-18 01:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ambertatge.livejournal.com
I watched some of the confirmation hearings and from everything I have seen and read I get the impression that John Roberts will not be all that bad. I also like that he seems to separate his emotions and opinions from deciding court cases. The most negative aspect I can see is that he is not interested in over-interpreting the constitution which may sound good, but can lead to some very conservative rulings (e.g. Scalia). All in all, I don't think Roberts seems that bad either. Of course the senators questioning him, repeating themselves and speaking incredibly accusatorily, make him look a lot better too.
Anyway, my question is: is it normal to appoint a Supreme Court Justice immediately to the Chief Justice position? I have not been around for a lot of supreme court nominations and don't know how it works. But I thought that Rehnquist was on the Supreme Court for a while before he moved up to Chief Justice. It seems logical that one would get some experience on the nation's highest court before moving up to its highest position. Do the other Justices feel slighted? Is this normal?