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 It's probably because I am irritated by finding the same meaningless platitudes over and over when I am searching for actual facts about something, but I'm really tired of reading, "The best way to protect yourself is to wash your hands a lot." While washing one's hands is never bad health advice, it rings a little hollow when it comes right after a sentence in the same article that says, "The primary spread is thought to be airborne." It's tantamount to saying, "There's really nothing you can do, but we have to say something." 

But the one that really annoys me is "Don't panic." What exactly does that mean? Is it panicking to be concerned about a highly communicable disease that has a good chance of killing you? Is it panicking to stock up on enough supplies to survive a 2-week quarantine? Or is it only panic when you buy enough to hide in a bunker for a year?  Or if you run through the streets screaming?  Exactly what is the government afraid will happen if we all "panic?"  Historically, governments have used the spectre of "public panic" to cover up information that the public really needed to know, like the Japanese balloon bombs. Or things we'd all just LIKE to know, like "WTF is going on at Area 51, anyway?" I prefer to have the facts and then make up my own mind whether it's worth "panicking." Whatever that means.

I made a trip to Costco this morning. I knew it might be difficult because of the so-called "Panic Buying at Costco" phenomenon, so I got there as early as I could manage at 10:30am. Sure enough, the store was packed. I was able to score an easy parking place at the edge, but walked past a queue of cars held up by people doing that asshole thing of sitting and waiting 5 minutes for somebody to load their car and pull out. When I got inside I saw that every register already had a long line. They were out of toilet paper and bottled water and a few other odd things like lentils, but for the most part the shelves were full. I didn't even ask about hand sanitizer, since I had realized that I was already past the possible window for buying any (I wanted it for the Volunteers Desk at Minicon) . But I saw no sign of panic - just the usual stoic looking Minnesotans patiently waiting in line and cruising the aisles for the things they considered most vital to their survival. 

It's interesting to see what people consider survival supplies. Toilet paper apparently tops the list. I saw at least one woman with multiple bags of coffee in her cart. And I bought coffee too, even though I don't usually buy it in Costco-size amounts, because I do not actually have a 2-week supply at home. I bought the things I came for: eggs and oil and fruit and chicken thighs and goat cheese and a few other things I always by at Costco. And I admit that I did buy some things I might not have otherwise, like an extra box of protein bars and a 12-pack of canned tuna. But mostly it appears that what I consider survival food is party supplies, since that's what my cart ended up mostly full of. We usually have an emergency stash of non-perishable party food like nuts and crackers and *yum* Kirkland Cashew Bites, but our backup supplies were running low. And there is a Minnstf meeting coming up this weekend (at the Waterbury Building, not my house). So just in case, your president is prepared with the supplies that matter most.

Date: 2020-03-02 08:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mdlbear
main reason for hand-washing is that infectious droplets can stay on surfaces for a long time. (Don't remember exactly, but at least hours.) From what I've read, the main means of transmission is this indirect route.

Date: 2020-03-02 08:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mdlbear
Good info -- thanks! Let's hope that continues to hold.

Date: 2020-03-03 12:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redbird
I just saw an article quoting the Surgeon General as saying, basically, "please wash your hands. The fewer people get sick with the flu, the more hospital beds available for coronavirus patients."

Date: 2020-03-03 03:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redbird
It's also the first advice I've seen that said hand-washing probably isn't much use for the coronavirus.

Date: 2020-03-02 08:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minnehaha
I've been staring at the pantry and freezer, and decided that we have at least 1000 calories of food each in the apartment for at least a couple of weeks. So, I declare that we will be fine.

K.

Date: 2020-03-03 04:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] carbonel
I had a very tedious shopping trip to Target yesterday. Still on crutches, and Target doesn't have motorized carts, so I used the shopping cart for support.

I was quite taken aback at how empty some of the shelves were until I connected it mentally with a friend on DW describing her shopping trip (not panicking, but stocking up on nonperishables). Multiply that by a goodly percent of the population, and it'll clear out the stores.

Target was completely out of gallon-sized bottles of purified water. Thankfully, there was still plenty of distilled water, which was my goal. Similarly, the Progresso soup shelves were almost empty, but I was able to score two cans of old-fashioned chicken noodle soup (my standby when I'm sick).

Living alone, it's easy to have a few weeks' worth of food as regular pantry storage, so I didn't do any additional stocking up. I did think about rereading Naomi Kritzer's "So Much Cooking," though.

Date: 2020-03-03 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] quadong
Ha! We usually have *lots* of toilet paper when we aren't panicking, because the unit prices encourage buying the 24 packs of "mega-rolls" or whatever they're called.

My panic shopping happened last week, apparently before everyone else, when I went to Target and spent $190 split between calorie-dense food and canned fruits and vegetables. That turns out to be a *lot* of food. Economically, we should probably eat more canned food in general, I guess. I didn't think of hand sanitizer at that time, sadly.

Date: 2020-03-04 02:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lydy
At Cub today, there was a full end cap with hand sanitizer. There didn't seem to be any small, travel bottles. Also, Cub seemed well-supplied with toilet paper, water, and dry goods like beans and rice. (This was the Cub at the funny little mall, Minnehaha and Lake Street.)

We overbought on rice, beans, ground beef, and paper towels, as a precaution.

Also, I think by "don't panic" what they really mean is "don't get really stressed if you cough once" and "don't get into a spiral of terror." I have certainly seen people spiral out of control with stress. Mind you, I don't think that "don't panic" actually helps prevent that.

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